From hans.huebner@gmail.com Thu Aug 10 12:49:50 2006 From: hans.huebner@gmail.com (Hans Huebner) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:49:50 +0200 Subject: [LMH] Lisp Machine Manual - Please review Message-ID: Hi, I have been working on converting the 6th edition of the Lisp Machine Manual to XML with hyperlinks. A preliminary version is online at http://bknr.net/static/lmman/ It is my intention to produce an editable version of the manual that could be the base for a new version. Thus, I would be very glad to get comments on the XML format as well as the rendered output. Also, if you find apparent bugs or problems or have suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Hans From bill_clementson@yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 06:22:12 2006 From: bill_clementson@yahoo.com (Bill Clementson) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [LMH] Re: [lispmachines] Lisp Machine Manual - Please review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060816052212.17932.qmail@web52305.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Hans, > I have been working on converting the 6th edition of the Lisp Machine > Manual to XML with hyperlinks. A preliminary version is online at > http://bknr.net/static/lmman/ This is very nice. Would you mind posting a few sentences about how you did the conversion? As far as I'm aware, the manual is only available in PDF and PS formats online, were you able to locate a TeX version (or some other format)? > It is my intention to produce an editable version of the manual that > could be the base for a new version. Thus, I would be very glad to > get comments on the XML format as well as the rendered output. Also, > if you find apparent bugs or problems or have suggestions, please let > me know. Interesting. Are there any other manuals that you're planning to convert in this manner? Hopefully, this work is part of preparation for a new lisp machine OS that is just about to be announced? ;-) Cheers, Bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hans.huebner@gmail.com Thu Aug 17 09:03:52 2006 From: hans.huebner@gmail.com (Hans Huebner) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:03:52 +0200 Subject: [LMH] Re: Lispm Chineual XML version In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Nick, On 8/17/06, Nick Papadakis wrote: > I'd like to suggest that, in addition to the XML version, there be a > PDF version (with appropriate hyperlinks). The reason is that it > will be much more convenient for people to grab a copy and read it if > it is a single file in a common interchange format. While the XML is > a winning idea idea, PDF may well turn out to be more long-lived and > accessible (despite its many shortcomings). > > If there is anything that the history of the lispm should teach us, > it is that winning ideas are often ignored by the larger world. I'd > hate to see this stuff get lost again because it was converted from > one obscure format (bolio) to a nicer but equally obscure format > (custom XML). Adding the PDF is a fairly easy way of hedging the bet. I did the custom XML conversion exactly because it is an open format that will be very easy to convert to anything else, in addition to being editable. The HTML XSL stylesheet I wrote can be seen as an example how to convert the XML format to something else, HTML in this case. Doing the same for PDF will be easy for someone versed in PDF generation and XSLT. Directly converting from Bolio to PDF would certainly be possible and if anyone wants to do this, I'll happily share my findings about Bolio as well as the Common Lisp source code for my converter program. Also, the original Bolio source code may be available on one of the tapes Brad Parker is in the process of investigating. If you only want to see a PDF file with hyperlinks, I'd suggest that you use the XML files and generate PDF from that. This will be far easier than directly working with Bolio, as I put quite some effort to make the cross references very explicit and easy to parse. If anything in the XML files is missing, it can be added easily. I personally think that PDF is a format well-suited for printing, but for printing the files would need to be converted including cross-references with line numbers. Thus, please correct me if I'm wrong, a full typesetting system would be needed to create PDF documents that are useful to online browsing as well as printing. That is certainly an interesting task, but way beyond what I can offer to do. Cheers, Hans From hans.huebner@gmail.com Thu Aug 17 11:15:16 2006 From: hans.huebner@gmail.com (Hans Huebner) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:15:16 +0200 Subject: [LMH] IRC channel Message-ID: Those of you who linger around in IRC, join #lispm on Freenode (http://freenode.net/) for a low-volume live discussion channel devoted to lisp machines. -Hans From nick@MIT.EDU Thu Aug 17 08:24:07 2006 From: nick@MIT.EDU (Nick Papadakis) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 00:24:07 -0700 Subject: [LMH] Lispm Chineual XML version Message-ID: > > A preliminary version is online at http://bknr.net/static/lmman/ A very nice job! I'm glad to see people still taking an interest. > Thus, I would be very glad to get comments on the XML format as >well as the rendered output. I'd like to suggest that, in addition to the XML version, there be a PDF version (with appropriate hyperlinks). The reason is that it will be much more convenient for people to grab a copy and read it if it is a single file in a common interchange format. While the XML is a winning idea idea, PDF may well turn out to be more long-lived and accessible (despite its many shortcomings). If there is anything that the history of the lispm should teach us, it is that winning ideas are often ignored by the larger world. I'd hate to see this stuff get lost again because it was converted from one obscure format (bolio) to a nicer but equally obscure format (custom XML). Adding the PDF is a fairly easy way of hedging the bet. -- Cheers, - nick From hans.huebner@gmail.com Fri Aug 18 11:18:18 2006 From: hans.huebner@gmail.com (Hans Huebner) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:18:18 +0200 Subject: [LMH] Microexplorer manuals Message-ID: Hi, does anyone reading this have the Microexplorer user manual in scanned form? I am particularily interested in learning how to use the one-button mouse (if that is possible at all). Thanks, Hans From hans.huebner@gmail.com Fri Aug 18 11:18:18 2006 From: hans.huebner@gmail.com (Hans Huebner) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:18:18 +0200 Subject: [LMH] Microexplorer manuals Message-ID: Hi, does anyone reading this have the Microexplorer user manual in scanned form? I am particularily interested in learning how to use the one-button mouse (if that is possible at all). Thanks, Hans