From ggilley at gerg.org Fri Dec 4 22:51:51 2009 From: ggilley at gerg.org (Greg Gilley) Date: Fri Dec 4 23:31:17 2009 Subject: [LMH] hello, anyone there? Message-ID: <126645EA-356F-4FB7-9630-56DE7BF54D10@gerg.org> Hi. I seem to be late to the party. I've been looking for a hobby and I have fond memories of working on the TI Explorer lisp machines. I thought I'd try to write an emulator for them so I could start hacking the machines again. It looks like some of you were working on such a beast in the past. I'm wondering if any of you have an Explorer II (or microExplorer), or know someone who has one, you'd be willing to part with. They seem to be hard to come by these days :-) Alternatively I'm looking for sources, disk images, etc. for the Explorer II or microExplorer. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Greg From hans.huebner at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 02:39:36 2009 From: hans.huebner at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Hans_H=FCbner?=) Date: Sat Dec 5 03:34:01 2009 Subject: [LMH] hello, anyone there? In-Reply-To: <126645EA-356F-4FB7-9630-56DE7BF54D10@gerg.org> References: <126645EA-356F-4FB7-9630-56DE7BF54D10@gerg.org> Message-ID: Greg, I have a set of MicroExplorer floppies containing the base operating system. If you want that, let me know, but it'll take me some time to dig them out. I'd be interested in any additional MicroExplorer software, too. Cheers, Hans On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 04:51, Greg Gilley wrote: > > Hi. I seem to be late to the party. I've been looking for a hobby and I have fond memories of working on the TI Explorer lisp machines. I thought I'd try to write an emulator for them so I could start hacking the machines again. It looks like some of you were working on such a beast in the past. > > I'm wondering if any of you have an Explorer II (or microExplorer), or know someone who has one, you'd be willing to part with. They seem to be hard to come by these days :-) > > Alternatively I'm looking for sources, disk images, etc. for the Explorer II or microExplorer. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > ? ? ? ?Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Lispm-hackers mailing list > Lispm-hackers@lists.unlambda.com > http://lists.unlambda.com/mailman/listinfo/lispm-hackers > From ggilley at gerg.org Sat Dec 5 11:59:11 2009 From: ggilley at gerg.org (Greg Gilley) Date: Sat Dec 5 11:59:18 2009 Subject: [LMH] hello, anyone there? In-Reply-To: References: <126645EA-356F-4FB7-9630-56DE7BF54D10@gerg.org> Message-ID: <57611DDA-5108-41C9-BD1B-C9A7C8FD9EF8@gerg.org> Thanks Hans, that would be great. I'll let you know what else I dig up. Greg On Dec 4, 2009, at 11:39 PM, Hans H?bner wrote: > Greg, > > I have a set of MicroExplorer floppies containing the base operating > system. If you want that, let me know, but it'll take me some time to > dig them out. > > I'd be interested in any additional MicroExplorer software, too. > > Cheers, > Hans > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 04:51, Greg Gilley wrote: >> >> Hi. I seem to be late to the party. I've been looking for a hobby and I have fond memories of working on the TI Explorer lisp machines. I thought I'd try to write an emulator for them so I could start hacking the machines again. It looks like some of you were working on such a beast in the past. >> >> I'm wondering if any of you have an Explorer II (or microExplorer), or know someone who has one, you'd be willing to part with. They seem to be hard to come by these days :-) >> >> Alternatively I'm looking for sources, disk images, etc. for the Explorer II or microExplorer. >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Greg >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Lispm-hackers mailing list >> Lispm-hackers@lists.unlambda.com >> http://lists.unlambda.com/mailman/listinfo/lispm-hackers >> From brad at heeltoe.com Mon Dec 7 07:17:42 2009 From: brad at heeltoe.com (Brad Parker) Date: Mon Dec 7 07:17:46 2009 Subject: [LMH] hello, anyone there? In-Reply-To: <57611DDA-5108-41C9-BD1B-C9A7C8FD9EF8@gerg.org> (sfid-20091205_115920_416140_38604B9D) References: <126645EA-356F-4FB7-9630-56DE7BF54D10@gerg.org> <57611DDA-5108-41C9-BD1B-C9A7C8FD9EF8@gerg.org> (sfid-20091205_115920_416140_38604B9D) Message-ID: <4B1CF266.3080301@heeltoe.com> If anyone has images of disks, I'd love a copy. I'll put them up on http://www.unlambda.com Several years ago three of us put a lot of effort into getting two different explorer emulators working. As I recall, we managed to get them both booting to a prompt. I think one did networking also. The other two folks are Daniel Seagraves Alastair Bridgewater I was mostly just there for comic relief. Both Dan and Alastair did a ton of work discovering the ins and outs of the TI hardware. I think their are pointers on unlambda to the final code. In the end I think we ended up going furtherest with Meroko, as it had better i/o support. I'd love to find an explorer some day. Or the CAD tapes to the chip itself :-) -brad >> I have a set of MicroExplorer floppies containing the base operating >> system. If you want that, let me know, but it'll take me some time to >> dig them out. >> >> I'd be interested in any additional MicroExplorer software, too. >> >> Cheers, >> Hans >> >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 04:51, Greg Gilley wrote: >> >>> Hi. I seem to be late to the party. I've been looking for a hobby and I have fond memories of working on the TI Explorer lisp machines. I thought I'd try to write an emulator for them so I could start hacking the machines again. It looks like some of you were working on such a beast in the past. >>> >>> I'm wondering if any of you have an Explorer II (or microExplorer), or know someone who has one, you'd be willing to part with. They seem to be hard to come by these days :-) >>> >>> Alternatively I'm looking for sources, disk images, etc. for the Explorer II or microExplorer. >>> >>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Lispm-hackers mailing list >>> Lispm-hackers@lists.unlambda.com >>> http://lists.unlambda.com/mailman/listinfo/lispm-hackers >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Lispm-hackers mailing list > Lispm-hackers@lists.unlambda.com > http://lists.unlambda.com/mailman/listinfo/lispm-hackers > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.unlambda.com/pipermail/lispm-hackers/attachments/20091207/4cc3184e/attachment.html From newsham at lava.net Sun Dec 27 11:52:24 2009 From: newsham at lava.net (Tim Newsham) Date: Sun Dec 27 12:29:42 2009 Subject: [LMH] hello, anyone there? In-Reply-To: <4B1CF266.3080301@heeltoe.com> References: <126645EA-356F-4FB7-9630-56DE7BF54D10@gerg.org> <57611DDA-5108-41C9-BD1B-C9A7C8FD9EF8@gerg.org> (sfid-20091205_115920_416140_38604B9D) <4B1CF266.3080301@heeltoe.com> Message-ID: > If anyone has images of disks, I'd love a copy. I'll put them up on > http://www.unlambda.com > > Several years ago three of us put a lot of effort into getting two different > explorer emulators > working. As I recall, we managed to get them both booting to a prompt. I > think one did > networking also. There is an explorer emulator that works.. somewhat. I used it a few years back for a while but found that it would crash after about 10minutes of use. I put up some notes on using it on the lispm wiki that dan moniz put up. The wiki has since gotten a lot of spam, but there's probably a clean version somewhere in the history. Ahh, here we go: http://labs.aezenix.com/lispm/index.php?title=Explorer_First_Tour here's an old spam-free edit of the main page, fwiw: http://labs.aezenix.com/lispm/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=1529 > > The other two folks are > Daniel Seagraves > Alastair Bridgewater > > I was mostly just there for comic relief. Both Dan and Alastair did a ton > of work discovering > the ins and outs of the TI hardware. I think their are pointers on unlambda > to the final code. > > In the end I think we ended up going furtherest with Meroko, as it had better > i/o support. > > I'd love to find an explorer some day. Or the CAD tapes to the chip itself > :-) > > -brad >>> I have a set of MicroExplorer floppies containing the base operating >>> system. If you want that, let me know, but it'll take me some time to >>> dig them out. >>> >>> I'd be interested in any additional MicroExplorer software, too. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Hans >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 04:51, Greg Gilley wrote: >>> >>>> Hi. I seem to be late to the party. I've been looking for a hobby and I >>>> have fond memories of working on the TI Explorer lisp machines. I thought >>>> I'd try to write an emulator for them so I could start hacking the >>>> machines again. It looks like some of you were working on such a beast in >>>> the past. >>>> >>>> I'm wondering if any of you have an Explorer II (or microExplorer), or >>>> know someone who has one, you'd be willing to part with. They seem to be >>>> hard to come by these days :-) >>>> >>>> Alternatively I'm looking for sources, disk images, etc. for the Explorer >>>> II or microExplorer. >>>> >>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Greg >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Lispm-hackers mailing list >>>> Lispm-hackers@lists.unlambda.com >>>> http://lists.unlambda.com/mailman/listinfo/lispm-hackers >>>> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Lispm-hackers mailing list >> Lispm-hackers@lists.unlambda.com >> http://lists.unlambda.com/mailman/listinfo/lispm-hackers >> > > Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com From wolfram.rinke at inode.at Sun Dec 27 14:44:06 2009 From: wolfram.rinke at inode.at (Wolfram Rinke) Date: Sun Dec 27 14:43:06 2009 Subject: [LMH] hello, anyone there? In-Reply-To: References: <126645EA-356F-4FB7-9630-56DE7BF54D10@gerg.org> <57611DDA-5108-41C9-BD1B-C9A7C8FD9EF8@gerg.org> (sfid-20091205_115920_416140_38604B9D) <4B1CF266.3080301@heeltoe.com> Message-ID: <4B37B906.60505@inode.at> Hi there! long time ago I owned a few TI Explores and a Ti-microExplorer, that I still have (I did not restart it for almost 8 years or more, maybe I'll try i the near future). I have all the original documentation and a lot of original tapes and diskettes (for the microExplorer). Unfortunately the tapes (3M's DC300 and DC600) turns out not to be as lasting as expected. Typically the mechanics is failing on most of them and destroying the magnetic tape. Does anybody know how to recover those tapes? I was playing with several emulates shown here. The explorer-emulator seem to work fine until it stops after some time. I assume that it is related to a "screen saver" feature that this machines had. They blanked the screen in some way or at least sent an interrupt to start a screen saver or something. I assume that the crash after 10minutes is related to that issue. I spend some time to look into the emulation code setting some breakpoints etc. but probably did not spend enough time to localize and reproduce this behavior. I remember, there is a system lisp function that handles the screen saver, but I did not find it yet. I'd love to fix that bug in the emulator and to build a vmware-appliance virtual machine. Is there anybody interested to help me with that issue? Regards, Wolfram Tim Newsham schrieb: >> If anyone has images of disks, I'd love a copy. I'll put them up on >> http://www.unlambda.com >> >> Several years ago three of us put a lot of effort into getting two >> different explorer emulators >> working. As I recall, we managed to get them both booting to a >> prompt. I think one did >> networking also. > > There is an explorer emulator that works.. somewhat. > I used it a few years back for a while but found that it would > crash after about 10minutes of use. > > I put up some notes on using it on the lispm wiki that dan moniz > put up. The wiki has since gotten a lot of spam, but there's > probably a clean version somewhere in the history. Ahh, here we > go: > > http://labs.aezenix.com/lispm/index.php?title=Explorer_First_Tour > > here's an old spam-free edit of the main page, fwiw: > http://labs.aezenix.com/lispm/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=1529 > >> >> The other two folks are >> Daniel Seagraves >> Alastair Bridgewater >> >> I was mostly just there for comic relief. Both Dan and Alastair did >> a ton of work discovering >> the ins and outs of the TI hardware. I think their are pointers on >> unlambda to the final code. >> >> In the end I think we ended up going furtherest with Meroko, as it >> had better i/o support. >> >> I'd love to find an explorer some day. Or the CAD tapes to the chip >> itself :-) >> >> -brad >>>> I have a set of MicroExplorer floppies containing the base operating >>>> system. If you want that, let me know, but it'll take me some time to >>>> dig them out. >>>> >>>> I'd be interested in any additional MicroExplorer software, too. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Hans >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 04:51, Greg Gilley wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi. I seem to be late to the party. I've been looking for a hobby >>>>> and I have fond memories of working on the TI Explorer lisp >>>>> machines. I thought I'd try to write an emulator for them so I >>>>> could start hacking the machines again. It looks like some of you >>>>> were working on such a beast in the past. >>>>> >>>>> I'm wondering if any of you have an Explorer II (or >>>>> microExplorer), or know someone who has one, you'd be willing to >>>>> part with. They seem to be hard to come by these days :-) >>>>> >>>>> Alternatively I'm looking for sources, disk images, etc. for the >>>>> Explorer II or microExplorer. >>>>> >>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Greg >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Lispm-hackers mailing list >>>>> Lispm-hackers@lists.unlambda.com >>>>> http://lists.unlambda.com/mailman/listinfo/lispm-hackers >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Lispm-hackers mailing list >>> Lispm-hackers@lists.unlambda.com >>> http://lists.unlambda.com/mailman/listinfo/lispm-hackers >>> >> >> > > Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > Lispm-hackers mailing list > Lispm-hackers@lists.unlambda.com > http://lists.unlambda.com/mailman/listinfo/lispm-hackers > From binghe.lisp at gmail.com Sun Dec 27 22:54:51 2009 From: binghe.lisp at gmail.com (Chun Tian (binghe)) Date: Mon Dec 28 00:01:47 2009 Subject: [LMH] hello, anyone there? In-Reply-To: <4B37B906.60505@inode.at> References: <126645EA-356F-4FB7-9630-56DE7BF54D10@gerg.org> <57611DDA-5108-41C9-BD1B-C9A7C8FD9EF8@gerg.org> (sfid-20091205_115920_416140_38604B9D) <4B1CF266.3080301@heeltoe.com> <4B37B906.60505@inode.at> Message-ID: Hi, Wolfram > Hi there! > > long time ago I owned a few TI Explores and a Ti-microExplorer, that I still have (I did not restart it for almost 8 years or more, maybe I'll try i the near future). I have all the original documentation and a lot of original tapes and diskettes (for the microExplorer). Unfortunately the tapes (3M's DC300 and DC600) turns out not to be as lasting as expected. Typically the mechanics is failing on most of them and destroying the magnetic tape. Does anybody know how to recover those tapes? I suggest you trying to contact bitsavers.org , a site which aims to collect every bit of old document & software. They may be a way to recover your data on those tapes. One year ago I successfully printed all Symbolics Open Genera document into PDF format and sent them to admin on bitsavers.org. Now those documents are archived into their "/pdf/symbolics" directory [1], I think you should try also. --binghe [1] http://bitsavers.org/pdf/symbolics/software/genera_8/ > > I was playing with several emulates shown here. The explorer-emulator seem to work fine until it stops after some time. I assume that it is related to a "screen saver" feature that this machines had. They blanked the screen in some way or at least sent an interrupt to start a screen saver or something. I assume that the crash after 10minutes is related to that issue. I spend some time to look into the emulation code setting some breakpoints etc. but probably did not spend enough time to localize and reproduce this behavior. I remember, there is a system lisp function that handles the screen saver, but I did not find it yet. > > I'd love to fix that bug in the emulator and to build a vmware-appliance virtual machine. > > Is there anybody interested to help me with that issue? > > Regards, Wolfram > > Tim Newsham schrieb: >>> If anyone has images of disks, I'd love a copy. I'll put them up on http://www.unlambda.com >>> >>> Several years ago three of us put a lot of effort into getting two different explorer emulators >>> working. As I recall, we managed to get them both booting to a prompt. I think one did >>> networking also. >> >> There is an explorer emulator that works.. somewhat. >> I used it a few years back for a while but found that it would >> crash after about 10minutes of use. >> >> I put up some notes on using it on the lispm wiki that dan moniz >> put up. The wiki has since gotten a lot of spam, but there's >> probably a clean version somewhere in the history. Ahh, here we >> go: >> >> http://labs.aezenix.com/lispm/index.php?title=Explorer_First_Tour >> >> here's an old spam-free edit of the main page, fwiw: >> http://labs.aezenix.com/lispm/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=1529 >> >>> >>> The other two folks are >>> Daniel Seagraves >>> Alastair Bridgewater >>> >>> I was mostly just there for comic relief. Both Dan and Alastair did a ton of work discovering >>> the ins and outs of the TI hardware. I think their are pointers on unlambda to the final code. >>> >>> In the end I think we ended up going furtherest with Meroko, as it had better i/o support. >>> >>> I'd love to find an explorer some day. Or the CAD tapes to the chip itself :-) >>> >>> -brad >>>>> I have a set of MicroExplorer floppies containing the base operating >>>>> system. If you want that, let me know, but it'll take me some time to >>>>> dig them out. >>>>> >>>>> I'd be interested in any additional MicroExplorer software, too. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Hans >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 04:51, Greg Gilley wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi. I seem to be late to the party. I've been looking for a hobby and I have fond memories of working on the TI Explorer lisp machines. I thought I'd try to write an emulator for them so I could start hacking the machines again. It looks like some of you were working on such a beast in the past. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm wondering if any of you have an Explorer II (or microExplorer), or know someone who has one, you'd be willing to part with. They seem to be hard to come by these days :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Alternatively I'm looking for sources, disk images, etc. for the Explorer II or microExplorer. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Greg >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Lispm-hackers mailing list >>>>>> Lispm-hackers@lists.unlambda.com >>>>>> http://lists.unlambda.com/mailman/listinfo/lispm-hackers >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Lispm-hackers mailing list >>>> Lispm-hackers@lists.unlambda.com >>>> http://lists.unlambda.com/mailman/listinfo/lispm-hackers >>>> >>> >>> >> >> Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Lispm-hackers mailing list >> Lispm-hackers@lists.unlambda.com >> http://lists.unlambda.com/mailman/listinfo/lispm-hackers >> > > _______________________________________________ > Lispm-hackers mailing list > Lispm-hackers@lists.unlambda.com > http://lists.unlambda.com/mailman/listinfo/lispm-hackers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <126645EA-356F-4FB7-9630-56DE7BF54D10@gerg.org> <57611DDA-5108-41C9-BD1B-C9A7C8FD9EF8@gerg.org> <4B1CF266.3080301@heeltoe.com> Message-ID: <86fc46910912280014q2d804916n9517d8defc953c89@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Tim Newsham wrote: [snip] > I put up some notes on using it on the lispm wiki that dan moniz > put up. ?The wiki has since gotten a lot of spam, but there's > probably a clean version somewhere in the history. ?Ahh, here we > go: > > http://labs.aezenix.com/lispm/index.php?title=Explorer_First_Tour > > here's an old spam-free edit of the main page, fwiw: > http://labs.aezenix.com/lispm/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=1529 Cleaning up this wiki has been a lingering TODO on my list for far to long now, I'm glad Tim at least still finds the history useful. It's more motivation for making it *actually* useful again. If anyone is game to help out, I'd appreciate it. Ideally I'd like to clean the database of all the spam (to shrink its size) while at the same time implement some checks to limit spam from being posted. The latter more straightforward to me, but messing around in MediaWiki's tables gives me some pause. Any pointers, experience, and/or labor is welcome. -- Dan Moniz [http://pobox.com/~dnm/] From dnm at pobox.com Mon Dec 28 06:51:54 2009 From: dnm at pobox.com (Dan Moniz) Date: Mon Dec 28 06:52:16 2009 Subject: [LMH] hello, anyone there? In-Reply-To: <86fc46910912280014q2d804916n9517d8defc953c89@mail.gmail.com> References: <126645EA-356F-4FB7-9630-56DE7BF54D10@gerg.org> <57611DDA-5108-41C9-BD1B-C9A7C8FD9EF8@gerg.org> <4B1CF266.3080301@heeltoe.com> <86fc46910912280014q2d804916n9517d8defc953c89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <86fc46910912280351x127c3dc3r3268f3170f063116@mail.gmail.com> Apologies in advance for my poor form in replying to myself. On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 3:14 AM, Dan Moniz wrote: > On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Tim Newsham wrote: > > [snip] > >> I put up some notes on using it on the lispm wiki that dan moniz >> put up. ?The wiki has since gotten a lot of spam, but there's >> probably a clean version somewhere in the history. ?Ahh, here we >> go: >> >> http://labs.aezenix.com/lispm/index.php?title=Explorer_First_Tour This does indeed work as intended. >> here's an old spam-free edit of the main page, fwiw: >> http://labs.aezenix.com/lispm/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=1529 I'm now happy to report that you can just go to: http://labs.aezenix.com/lispm/index.php?title=Main_Page directly! > Cleaning up this wiki has been a lingering TODO on my list for far to > long now, I'm glad Tim at least still finds the history useful. It's > more motivation for making it *actually* useful again. So, motivated way too late at night after writing my previous email, I spent some hours doing some much needed triage and have gotten things to a semi-sane state; see the current contents under the "News!" section on the aforementioned and linked Main Page for more details. Help still welcome, especially if you have MediaWiki spam cleanup experience (in terms of purging spam content from the database, etc.) I hope the wiki is useful, and please do not hesitate to create an account and add more content (non-spam, natch, not that I worry about anyone on this list)! -- Dan Moniz [http://pobox.com/~dnm/]